
I had an argument the other day on a Swedish movie maker forum (filmcafe.se). One that turned out rather nasty.
It started with a simple discussion about the paid member ship offered. I had been a paying member but quit since I didn’t experienced I got anything for my money. The site wasn’t simply targeted for screenwriters. I said so and listed what I missed. With a friendly and constructive attitude intended.
Then this guy, let’s call him T, popped up and linked to three articles he had written for the site that he thought would be within my interest – a little like “you said there were no articles for you, but look, they exist”.
One was about how to write a movie script, one about marketing your movie and one about negotiation concerning compensation.
I said that I had read his article about writing and it was good, but it was two years old and if I pay for a service I want something more than one interesting article every other year.
Then I added that I thought that marketing of a movie was a different thing than marketing a script. The customers and the material are completely different.
And this was the beginning of the volcano’s eruption.
I got an answer about the need to adjust the scripts to the market, writing in genres that sell – bla, bla, bla. Things I didn’t agree much about. I prefer to write about things which affect me – he didn’t, since it then, in his opinion (which is in his world is the almighty truth is seems), turned into “art house” instead of something marketable. This was ping-ponged back and forth between us. All the time he had a very lecturing attitude towards me. I respected his opinion, but I told him I disagreed. I never said “you are wrong”, I said “I disagree with you”. He said bluntly “you are wrong”. That is not a respectful conversation in my opinion.
Then he got stuck on the fact that I wrote that I don’t read much books about screenwriting these days, since they often aim at a novice writer (he had recommended me to read two fundamental books – with the attitude that I was a novice). He returned to the same books over and over indeed. I said I also re-read some favorites from time to time, but that they only repeated what I already was supposed to know, not pushing my writing forwards. I wanted to read something which added new things.
I claimed I had professional experience of screenwriting. He claimed that I wasn’t entitled to call myself a screenwriter since I had not sold at least one feature script. He hadn’t found my name on Imdb or the Swedish movie database, so I could not be professional; even less since I didn’t earn my full income on it.
He very rudely wrote that he couldn’t figure out why I was on the site – or any other site for that matter – since I wasn’t interested in learning anything about screenwriting. I was living in a dream, rather than reality, he said, since I thought myself as a pro in what I was doing although I obviously had only sold scripts to minuscule producers.
There are a few interesting things in this conversation.
I sell movie scripts, but in his opinion I should only sell to those who can produce and distribute the movie to a wide audience and get my name in in Imdb? Hasn’t most people begun their career by selling to minor companies? No bigger company gives a writing assignment to someone without credits. Credit from a minor company is still credit. But I should not call myself a pro until I get this big, fat order from Disney? Maybe so, but, Disney will not likely buy my work if I label myself “amateur”.
In the United States you call yourself “award winning” the very moment you can. In Sweden you might do this if you had won a prestigious price someone heard of. I’m award winning, and call myself so. This does not mean I think I’ve won – or even is worthy of – an Oscar.
Another interesting thing in this conversation is that he presumes my lack of interest in everything concerning screenwriting because I said I don’t read many books on the subject these days; adding, on the negative side, my unwillingness to pay to have access to one interesting article on the site. He probably thought I was cocksure, and if so, he was right, because I am. In my opinion you don’t get anywhere by diminish yourself, as Swedes often do. And I don’t think it adds to the positive side to diminish others, like he so gladly did with me.
He came to such fascinating conclusions about me and my writing that I wondered who of us that was living in a dream.
Not only did he say bad things about me. He also patronized my clients, indirectly; clients who also frequent the site, and know me. I wonder what they say about his attitude.
One funny thing about it is the image I got of him. I could not help it, but I saw Byron from 3:10 to Yuma in front of me, when Ben Wade asks him if he ever read any book except the Bible, and Byron replies “No need”.
5 comments:
I found your debate on Filmcafe and I have to agree with you Desirée; their response was "von oben" and not much of a dialog. Quite poor and unprofessional.
However this particular fellow did ask you to give examples of articles you wanted to read, and from what I recall your response was too basic, generally pointing at the (great!) blogs Going Into The Story and JohnAugust.com. Perhaps you could have given him two or three things to work on?
Also, he could have a point in that the Swedish arena for screenwriters is niched. Is it too niched? Should we start a facebook group to find out? (That last remark is not really serious... or is it?)
I don't consider myself a pro -- no sale, no option! Prospect, perhaps? :-) -- but I do miss a comprehensive and professional* Swedish community for screenwriters. Said Filmcafe obviously doesn't make the cut and the merrier Voodoofilm forums are unfortunately not vital enough.
Or have I overlooked a Swedish screenwriting community?!
* By professional I go with your description of it: that the merit is not only in an imdb-page, it's also about the contributions to a community, in what you say and what you do.
Thank you for your comments. It was very nice of you to tell me about your support. It means a lot to me.
We continued the discussion in another thread and it didn't turn out better. I felt rather run over by a truck. Someone obviously took my boldness for bragging and megalomania.
I started to write yet another blog entry about it, but I decided to not dwell in the past.
Maybe I should give him proper ideas about articles, as you suggested, but now I'm not entitled to read them, since I'm not a paying member. He said if I had read his article about negotiating salary I would have had afford the fee.
I don't know about more Swedish screenwriting communities than Filmcafe (which isn't :-) ) and VoodooFilm. Voodoo I think is okay if you are aware that most people there are between 15 and 25.
I think most Swedish writers turns to American sites. Maybe a Swedish FB group is not such a bad idea, just to give Swedish writers a voice.
Good call to leave it behind. I didn't want to give you the impression to go back and give concrete advice. You've already exemplified and shared you ideas. If they fail to appreciate that, it's their loss.
Now about that missing Swedish screenwriting community, it would be fun to outline how we'd envision that.
Perhaps a Facebook Group isn't such a bad idea after all, at least as a start to get the discussion going with more people -- and a way to find out how many (at least approximately) of us confess to being on the Way of the Screenwriting Arts. (Sure, some have journeyed longer than others :-)
It's just that I have a hard time imagining how it would be populated with more than say 5-10 people. I'm probably dead wrong, at least I hope so...
On another note, I just searched facebook for "Screenwriting" and "Filmmanus". The results were not uplifting.
For an entrepreneur, that means opportunity!
For the cynic, it means a beaten, dead end.
Are we ten to fifteen screenwriters in Sweden? Likely, if we include the ones producing their own script.
You know, when I started writing movie scripts back in the ninetieth I was highly questioned for writing in English. Now every third script I read from a Swedish writer is in English.
I also remember what an experienced Swedish screenwriter told me: "If you had written lyrics and aimed for an international market, no one would have questioned you. So keep writing in English if that is what you want."
If you want to go for "entrepreneur" rather than "cynic" send me an e-mail (Sale's page) and we can ping-pong ideas and see if it will be "entrepreneur" or "wait and see".
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